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HighDescendant
I think translated literature is not as pure as the original, but it is also easier for the reader to read in his first language. Of course you are right, many thinks change and this is sad. But many authors have a very intense aura (not quiet sure if this word fits here) that you can feel through the words. And this doesnt change within the translation. For example, you would always sense Hemingway in a book, even if you havent seen the title before.
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HighDescendant
I´ll try, but its still a bit difficult to get the old stuff in germany. Of course the great names Ginsberg, Burroughs etc, but not all books are translated. Currently I read them in english, but it takes more time. Sure its a completly different experience, so i think I´ll go on like that.
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HighDescendant
Love all the old Beats, like Corso, Burroughs, Carr. Currently I am reading Desolation Angels again, and it still blows me away.
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HighDescendant
Nice to see that you are into Ginsberg, I got to know him through the books of kerouac, that are sheer amazing in my opinion, nice charts aswell.
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TheFatChocobo
So really, the only reason I'm so deep into all this right now is that there *are* artists who have had entire careers worth exploring, who've changed and stayed good across many many years, even if there might be a fallow period here and there. Paul McCartney, for example, though I think his work with Wings is absolutely brilliant and overall better than the Beatles, essentially petered out circa 1981, with only a couple of returns to form after that (notably Flaming Pie). But Dylan, Young, Van... these are people who are still taken seriously and much-admired now. Eventually I'm going to run out of rock & roll greats, though, and have to go back to cherry-picking to cover the rest of the good stuff.
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TheFatChocobo
Right on. Dates and career arcs are totally fascinating. And yeah, I should have added that I only go in for these big chronological projects when I have good reason to believe they'll pay off! Aside from the Beatles (where I fell in love with Abbey Road and then worked backwards & forwards simultaneously) all of these recent behemoth-runs were inspired by the same friend I mentioned a couple of shouts ago, who recommended Neil to me and was aware of my affinity with chronology, so told me to just start with Buffalo Springfield. And once that worked out so wonderfully, it only made sense to do the same with Bob Dylan and Van Morrison, the other luminaries who started in the '60s and are still plugging away now. I love the Grateful Dead's rootsy kick, too, though most of my listening has been live shows from 1977 through 1993. I've never really given their studio albums much attention. And now I've gotta check out 13th Floor Elevators. Sounds awesome!
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TheFatChocobo
So just by virtue of long experience, if I don't know every album and every song and every obscure unreleased cut, I feel like I haven't given an artist the attention they deserve, heh heh. And borrowing from my love of literature, I've taken the chronological approach, which has the added advantage of showing you exactly how an artist grows and develops, how certain strains appear & reapper... and yeah, I love it this way! The truly great creators always deliver new, original goods anyway, so the process never gets old or tiresome. And I've got some very trustworthy sources swearing by the likes of Davis & Coltrane (and other jazz), and you do too, so it's exciting to know I have a way in, once that jazz spell comes around.
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TheFatChocobo
Yeah, the circling can be really nice, too; one of my closest friends who's as big a music fan as I am does all his listening that way, and I'm always curious to hear where his own whims take him. I think the reason I tend to go for the long-haul is simply because that's how I grew up: from age eight to eleven or so, just about all I listened to was Pink Floyd; then twelve to fourteen or fifteen all I needed was the Grateful Dead. Both of these have remained absolute favorites of mine, and it's a neverending joy to go back and revisit albums or shows I've long loved (and in the case of the Dead and their live archive, the new material never runs out!).
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TheFatChocobo
In short, I'm so deep into this right now, and so happy to be there, that I've put other potential explorations on hold, including jazz. In time, though, I'll roll around to a proper inquiry into jazz, and that'll probably end up being another two or three-year kick!
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TheFatChocobo
Intrigued but intimidated! Snippets I've heard of Miles Davis or John Coltrane have been pretty awesome, but I feel like once I let myself get into jazz I'll be there for a while. I tend to get invested in certain music-listening "projects" that can then possess me for years, such as my rock-history thing going on right now. It started two and a half years ago with the Beatles, which led into an exploration of their solo stuff. I've been focusing on a Dylan chronology all year long and I'm still only in 1979, with lots left to go. Same with Neil, except that I'm waiting for Homegrown before continuing in order and in the meantime checking out some of his '00s work. Then there's Van Morrison, Bowie, the Stones...
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Eienaar
I like your last statement about exploring and organizing. Doesn't matter if one is religious or not. Even I was satanist I'd still be against that attitude. I am type of person who respects everything about everyone as long as they respect my opinions. Unfortunately, that seems rare today. At least music should connect us all, but people are always arguing how one genre sucks while other one is great, or about which album is better. It's up to individual and tastes shouldn't be discussed. I am kinda getting too far with this. :p Thanks for dropping me that shout. I'd be happy to stay in contact.
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Eienaar
Bob Dylan is great artist. Well, to be honest, there are things in rock music that metal lacks. I don't really prefer that anti religious and blood thirsty attitude most bands have, same as metal fans mostly have. It's stupid and disregarding towards other people. That's why I mostly listen to melodeath, doom or folk metal, where lyrics are about beauty of nature, life struggles, love and similar. Genre has a lot to offer but it just kills my mood when I see shallow people who treat others and other genres with disrespect. But what can you do..
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Eienaar
Well, my library is mostly metal but I am into all kinds of stuff, just lazy to search genre properly and get myself some good artists. I do listen some old rock artists like Janis Joplin, Clapton, J. Airplane, etc, basically, those in our compatibility. I am big supporter of listening to multiple genres instead of just one so that's great compliment. :) Feel free to suggest me any artist you come across in the future, your taste seems really respectable.
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jimbob1983
I will have a little play of your radio station on here, I'm sure it will make for an interesting listen. I'm good, just struggling to find a work at the moment... it's difficult to find employers that are comfortable with me disappearing off to tour with the band so I generally just temp but there's nothing out there at the moment. Being penniless comes with the territory though I suppose. You going to relocate to Cardiff?
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jimbob1983
'Tis indeed! How the devil are you? According to Last.fm our music compatibility is SUPER!
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Thurston_Whore
Aha.The best way to bump into people around here.Yeah,its been a while since i was last on that forum.Still not actually sure why i left to be honest just one of those things i guess.Are you still posting there?
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clayishtwine
Ahhhhhh, I might have guessed! I am intimately familiar with the Beats. I was a rare book specialist at an auction house in San Francisco, so I got to work with quite a lot of material specific to that genre. I have a very special place in my heart for Jack Kerouac, amongst others. How about you?
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clayishtwine
Do I ever!!!! I know what you mean about the records, but have you listened to the "Blues Before Sunrise" radio show? I'm not sure if it airs in the UK but the website is http://www.bluesbeforesunrise.com and they play the absolute BEST of the BEST. What do you use the jazz beats for? Are you a bedroom Bach? What are some of your favorite pieces?
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clayishtwine
Thank you! I am a bit iffy on making generalizations about "jazz" because it means so many different things to so many different people. I adore pre-war blues through most everything along the jazz spectrum through the late 50s. I just haven't found many other people here with similar interests. But it appears as though that is about to change!
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